Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Marcelo Rinesi's avatar

@Brad

I understand and share the strong need to believe that if only things could be *explained* better, if there had been better arguments, more clearly expressed information, some other intellectual move, then the outcome would have been different. That's the intellectual and moral world you (we) inhabit and aspire to.

But the fundamental flaw with this analysis is that there's no plausible way anybody (certainly not the enthusiastic subset of Trump's voters) is misinformed _about Trump_: his character, behavior, and ethics has been too visible for too long in ways that are too clear-cut. Any information- or policy-driven analysis of the outcome, or even explanations driven by nostalgia, feelings of rejection, etc, flounders against the reductio that

1) You cannot not know Trump at at least a surface level.

2) To vote for Trump you have to consider him a human being you can give power to over yourself and other people, regardless on your feelings about inflation or migration or anything else.

3) A majority did.

What makes the outcome of this election painful at a foundational level is that it disproves the idea that the aggregate US population has a basic moral threshold regarding internal violence, democratic institutions, a cogent view of reality, and so on. It forces us to an impossible conflict between an axiomatic commitment to Democracy and an equally axiomatic commitment to basic decency in public life. What happens when We The People chooses this with open eyes? Because whatever their opinion about policy issues, everybody knows Trump well enough that the basic moral decision about his suitability as a human being to be given power was there.

I'm not in the US, but of course US politics have a global impact, and here in Argentina we face a very similar situation. I believe the impulse to educate and argue with our fellow citizens is an honorable one that must be sustained as the only viable long-term solution, but in the shorter term we must navigate a morally tricky and spiritually exhausting path where we must simultaneously respect our commitments to democratic institutions (which many of our fellow citizens seem to only do contingently) while, to be frank, figure out how to punch above our current voting strength weight to constrain and influence policy.

It feels dirty, it feels immoral, it feels wrong, and we *know* that there's a version of that strategy that leads to much, much darker places: history is scarred by atrocities at the very least enabled by people who probably began by thinking and feeling the way I do. That's a path fraught with the temptation of "hard choices." But any political strategy that assumes that right now there's a basic ethical agreement with a comfortably large majority of the people we share our countries with fails, I believe, to adequately grasp reality.

Again, not that I don't understand and share the need to believe otherwise....

Jay L Gischer's avatar

A very smart psychologist I know says it works like this:

1. Trump works like fortunetellers work. He says generic things, observes the response, and tunes his message. This allows listeners to project their dreams and needs on him.

2. The beliefs that follow are there to protect those aspirations and dreams. Trump is fond of saying things like "They want to silence me because they want to silence you". He never says "about what?" because there isn't one answer.

3. This puts us in the position of telling them things they don't want to hear, so they don't listen.

This is a stable structure. It is hard to crack. It does crack, but the process isn't a rational, reasoned one. It's an emotional one.

What needs to happen is grieving. Who doesn't go through life without setbacks and hurts? However, the process above interrupts and forestalls a normal grieving process.

No, I don't know how to do this at scale. I do know ways to push on this on a personal level, but it requires a solid personal connection.

41 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?