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It is almost irrelevant what Klein, or Douthat, says, nor Farrell's exposition of the differences. The proletariat is well acquainted with the fact that Democrats largely do not deliver on their promises.

The reason was well laid out by the Princeton[?] study that showed that Congress enacts policies that support the wishes of the wealthy, not the rest of the nation. Lawrence Lessig explained why - money was in control of Congress, and this needed to change. Sadly, Congress wouldn't change this, and SCOTUS made it worse (and continues to do so, as it has their many decisions on other issues).

The rot for the Democratic Party may have set in before I arrived in the US, but it was quite clear that the Clinton administration was already pandering to the wealthy. The increasing inequality that has resulted has made it a vicious circle of both parties needing the wealthy to finance their campaigns, further driving inequality, and needing the wealthy to donate. The extreme example was set by Musk, who donated $250 million just to support Trump. This wealth funding campaigns and driving up costs is nothing less than obscene.

This is unique to teh USA. In the 1980s, the Tory Party under Thatcher started to go the same way, and so we have the same problem there. It can hardly be a coincidence that in both nations, any attempt to tax teh rich and reduce inequality is met with teh same arguments - the increased taxes won't help, and teh wealthy will leave the country. The use of tax havens and other vehicles to hide income and wealth is just another mechanism to apply leverage to any government to leave them alone.

I am all for wider tents and policies to help reduce inequality, but neither the Democrats for the British Labour Party will do this. [I read today that Canada's Liberal Party is now trying for "austerity to avoid recession", a very anti-Keynesian approach. And this from an ex-banker who supported bank bailouts in the financial meltdown.] Is it any wonder why Sanders and the progressive wing of teh democratic Party are so popular with teh electorate, while the party tries to sideline them from power.

Norman Solomon's piece in teh Guardian today summed it up nicely. The Democratic Party's elites won't do what is necessary to win. The party now has teh same problem that the USA will have going forward when "working" with its erstwhile allies. No one will believe the nation will stick to its promises. Even if the Democrats promise that this time they really will do what the voters ask, will anyone believe them?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/02/trump-democrats-playbook

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I think one of the important things about Farrell's post (which isn't captured in your summary) is his mocking of Douthat's appeal to what is "obvious."

It strikes me that one reason the attempts to chart a path for the Democratic party are so frustrating is that it really isn't obvious what went wrong.

Democrats have made plenty of mistakes, of course, from both the Left or Center but if you compare the party in 2010 to the party now, the shift in political fortune doesn't seem easily explained by looking at their mistakes.

So, to some extent, both Centrists and Leftists look at the elements of the party which they are most familiar with and say, "I don't see an obvious source of the problem in this section, therefor it must be the other faction who is to blame." That isn't to say that each are blameless, but not so much as to provide an explanation.

It feels like the political landscape has shifted under the feet of the Democrats and I'm really not sure which of the following possibilities best explains that:

1) It's all about the media; Democratic politicians don't drive the political conversation, vibes on social media and cable news do . . .

2) It's all about charisma, Clinton and Obama were charismatic, but Trump is more charismatic than anyone who has run against him.

3) There's been a global shift away from center-left parties.

4) It's all about the phones . . . ubiquitous social media has shifted us towards a lower-trust society and that means that the parts of the Democratic messaging that appeal to social solidarity don't have as much appeal as they used to.

All of those feel like they have an element of truth but, again, not enough that I feel like different factions of the party could agree that, whatever their differences, they need to work together to overcome the problems created by (pick 1 of the above). In fact, on that list I think of the first two as left-coded explanations and the latter two as centrist-coded.

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