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Alex Tolley's avatar

But who would have thought that a market economy could be built that would work without a myriad of rules and constraints that make epicycles seem simple by comparison? Would an actual socialist system really be more difficult to design given an infrastructure of laws, and regulations that we have for a market economy? Most economies are mixed - markets plus some socialist elements to mitigate some egregious market failures. So why shouldn't the balance change to be socialist with some market elements to ensure flexibility and choice? It seems to me that we use extremes as strawmen, when the goal should be a high standard of living, choice of occupation, incentives to improve, an unpolluted environment to reduce externalities, and limits to inequality.

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Kaleberg's avatar

I think I've commented here before that market based systems and socialist systems are judged by different standards. Socialist systems are deemed a failure if 20% of the population can't get shoes in their preferred color. Market systems are deemed a success even if 20% of the population can't get shoes.

The modern market based system which developed in the 18th & 19th century was amazingly productive, but by the early 19th century it was obvious that its productive capacity would exceed its distributive capacity. 200+ years later, we are still wrestling with the problem. Our market system is pretty good at getting everyone shod, but not near as good at getting everyone a place to live, food security, medical care and other basics. It's hard to call it a roaring success if one recognizes how many businesses rely on government subsidies to supplement their employees wages.

I've been reading Revolutionary Spring, an account of the European convulsions of the early 19th century. I think there was a sons of Martha, sons of Mary split. The sons of Martha could actually do things, run the factories, operate more efficient farms and so on. They were perfectly happy with the system despite its human cost, and, as far as they were concerned, this was the best of all possible worlds. The sons of Mary didn't have a clue of how to do things, but they knew that something was wrong and that things could be better. There's no surprise that they were ineffective, even harmful when granted power. On the other hand, the optimist in me agrees with them that it should be possible to do better.

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