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I wonder if Luce would have preferred Wilkie's platform to Roosevelt's in the 1940 election. Much of Luce's beliefs in the power of American business seemed more allied to Wilkie than Roosevelt's more socialist action.

Luce mentions that teh war would make America more Socialist, the same argument made by Orwell in 1940s Britain as the Blitz was happening. Orwell welcomed it for a post-WWII system, while Luce clearly wants America to return to its pre-WWII system. (Perhaps he was still sulking over the TVA?)

Were Middle Americans more traveled than people in other countries, especially Britain? My sense is that today, Californians are less traveled than the average Brit, some having not even visited another state.

Luce makes much of "freedom" in teh USA, but clearly has a blinkered POV concerning Civil Rights. WWII Britain was apparently far less racist than the US army quartered there. While Americans were doing well, the indigenous population of N. America (not just in the USA) was very much isolated and deprived of its prior position. The USA squandered its Goodwill with the disastrous Vietnam War, and made a hash of its meddling in the Middle East, culminating in another disastrous and unnecessary war in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

While Luce seems to welcome American influence over the world, and OGH supports the US-inspired institutions and economic benefits that resulted, there was considerable grumbling over cultural imperialism and US corporate crushing of European businesses after the war. The "ugly American" was rather obvious by the 1970s and still seen in the 1980s. Even now, Americans fleeing to live in Britain are not exactly getting much love from the local populations.

Lastly, I wonder if Chinese intellectuals are making some sort of similar assessment of the world? China is now the largest global manufacturer. It has a larger population. While it has relatively little cultural influence, that could change or be felt in different cultural products. We don't know the outcome of this century, but America seems to have increased its self-destruction again, possibly irreversibly.

The current regime is both isolationist and bullying. If this is to be the "real America" of the coming decade[s], who is going to save us if we cannot save ourselves? What will it mean for the rest of the world, especially the democracies still centered in Europe?

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I am impressed, and not favorably, by the seemingly consistent efforts here to debunk Luce, presumably for fear of endorsing America First bullshit. By contrast, it would be useful to read the essay for its possible merits.

For my part, I was immediately impressed that this thing was literate, in contrast to Luce's Time Magazine and to pretty much all public dialogue in this century. Who writes sentences like that outside of academic journals and the like? The message tends to be expressed in the jingoistic phrases that we all hate as a conditioned reflex. But what in its advocacy do we not like? International communication and trade? America as not the boss of the world but a central and essential part of the system? America as a leader in science and technology? A world in which everyone has enough to eat?

Who doesn't like these?? Oh, yes, I know who doesn't. Would that he had the literacy to read this, the brains for that, and an ability to overcome his malignant narcissism.

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