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Gary Wollberg's avatar

We might want mythological Spartiates as soldiers, but I doubt we want mythological Spartiates as generals. And the mythological ones are all we are getting because no one is interested in historically accurate Spartiates. Thus, count me cautious about exposing the officer corps of a democracy's military to Spartan hero worship.

Philip Koop's avatar

Look, I unironically enjoy Heinlein's Starship Troopers (not just when I was a child; I re-read it the other year and it still gave me pleasure.) But the bold claims to prove moral axioms mathematically made me roll my eyes and obviously I don't think that the sort of timocracy portrayed by Heinlein is a good idea for anyone anywhere. I certainly wouldn't want it to be required reading in my military academy. So I don't see any contradiction between liking to read Gates of Fire and not wanting it as a book of instruction.

Elsewhere (in his series on Sparta), Devereaux has made it clear that he doesn't agree that there was radical equality among Spartiates; there was equality if you could stump up your mess dues, yes, but doing that required substantial landed property and there was large variation in the property with which Spartiates were endowed and their habit of marrying so as to concentrate property further is what led to an ever shrinking proportion of Spartiates in society. They were no more egalitarian than any other group of oligarchs; they had certain common interests, and that as all.

Other than that, where is the lie? The Spartans were not superior warriors. They did not have an ultra-militarized society, they had an ultra-policed society, which isn't the same thing at all. They did not train more than other Greeks and they did not particularly cultivate virtu. So why should we teach modern day soldiers that they did? Particularly when fantasies about Spartan masculinity are particularly attractive to misogynists and anti-democrats?

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