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The most recent interview that David Reich gave to Dwarkesh Patel (about a month ago) was really interesting. I actually watched it on YouTube because Reich does some drawing on a whiteboard that I wanted to see, but you can probably get 95% of it from the transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/david-reich-2. In a model published from Reich's lab by Akbari et al., human evolution sped up markedly not 70,000 or 40,000 years ago but 3,000 years ago during the bronze age. They find that there are not fixed differences in the genotype of modern humans and those living, say, 50,000 years ago, but there are 300,000-400,000 years ago. And Reich has a crazy conjecture about Levallois technology and the relationship between modern humans and neanderthals that aligns with this.

John Hawks gives some critical appreciation of this work here: https://www.johnhawks.net/p/how-human-evolution-has-been-speeding. Hawks also has things to say about the Levallois conjecture: https://www.johnhawks.net/p/did-levallois-tools-make-neanderthals.

Of course, Hawks has a dog in this fight, so the criticism must itself be read critically.

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I agree with Henrich/Heath (and Tomasello) that sociality/culture is probably the driver here.

But his explanation of why humans would become hyper-imitative compared to other primates, etc is missing and the whole thing becomes a bit circular.

Also, for the purposes of the story you have been telling about an anthology intelligence there is a tension. Surely a hyper-imitative society is one where everyone does the same thing the same way. But the division of labor requires that people work together by doing completely different things. In Durkheim's text on division of labor, he makes a big distinction between mechanical solidarity (we are all the same) and what he calls (oddly, IMHO) "organic" solidarity achieved by division of labor.

To Philip Koop's point above about Reich's finding: maybe the really distinctive leap forward is not so much imitation, but complex division of labor which is the defining mark of the bronze age. In other words, complex division of labor as a cultural development drives genetic differentiation.

Coming back to Adam Smith and stadial theories. Smith's Theory of the Moral Sentiments is all about the (stages of) development of sympathy (primitive social identification) into an abstract morality of norms and laws (and ultimately the internalization of an impartial spectator) through a kind of selection process of public "approbation" and "disapprobation."

He thinks division of labor, however, can be driven by engaging individual self-interest alone and is seen by him as allowing an indifference to the good (moral) opinion of others (the benevolence of the butcher baker and brewer). Though division of labor does require a framework of higher order rules, a system of general laws covering commutative justice, and reasonably impartial enforcement (rule of law), rather than reliance on custom and social bonds. Law replaces custom; Gesellschaft replaces Gemeinschaft, as the 19th C German sociologists put it.

Or in the stadial theory terms, commercial, constitutional, rule-of-law society replaces feudal society. This sets the scene for the next stage of industrialization and the west becoming WEIRD Although I think Weber would argue the West already began to be WEIRD with the advent of capitalism/the reformation (circa 1500).

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